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Wednesday, November 04, 2009

Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:21:08 GMT

Last night I went to a lecture given by David Berlinski at a nearby college (he is a respected opponent of Richard Dawkins). Many things swirled in my head during his talk and I came loaded for bear with quotes from Robert Shapiro and Leonard Susskind (see below). In the end, I simply asked

"Do YOU believe we can know truth?"

He answered "Sure..." and then spoke about the earth being round and that the Higgs boson (He pronounced it "Heggs") might pop up at Fermi Lab.

I didn't get it. But my impression was that his own existence hung unrealized between belief and unbelief (and perhaps HAS to in order to maintain his respectability and his niche). He appeared to me to be a learned and unsatisfied man.

The students (it was a standing-room only crowd) afterwards seemed totally pumped up by his talk, although it left me flat. Besides the obvious and expected references to the Big Bang, the "just so" universe, and the conundrum regarding the origin of life, he made two points that he himself found personally intriguing:

1. That we have stumbled upon scientific discoveries almost as though they were revelatory gifts rather than fruits of directed study.

2. That a famous mathematician claims that everything can be summed up in one Act —and that of simple counting. And who would have been counting "1...2...3..." at the genesis of the universe?

Not bad.

Here were the quotes I had all ready to go from Shapiro and Susskind (and good ones, considering Berlinski addressed both the origin of the cosmos and the origin of life within the same framework of challenge:)

From Origins by Robert Shapiro (origin of life scientist)

Some future day may yet arrive when all reasonable chemical experiments run to discover a probable origin for life have failed unequivocally. Further, new geological evidence may indicate a sudden appearance of life on the earth. Finally, we may have explored the universe and found no trace of life, or processes leading to life, elsewhere. In such a case, some scientists might choose to turn to religion for an answer. Others, however, myself included, would attempt to sort out the surviving less probable scientific explanations in the hope of selecting one that was still more likely than the remainder. (p. 130, 1986...an older book, but nothing's changed as far as I know.)

From an interview with the New Scientist by Leonard Susskind (cosmic string theorist) in response to the question: "If we do not accept the landscape idea are we stuck with intelligent design?"

I doubt that physicists will see it that way. If, for some unforeseen reason, the landscape turns out to be inconsistent - maybe for mathematical reasons, or because it disagrees with observation - I am pretty sure that physicists will go on searching for natural explanations of the world. But I have to say that if that happens, as things stand now we will be in a very awkward position. Without any explanation of nature's fine tunings we will be hard pressed to answer the ID [Intelligent Design] critics. One might arge that the hope that a mathematically unique solution will emerge as faith-based as ID. (New Scientist. Dec 17 2005)

Berlinski's own prevarication might be viewed beneficial only for the pause it gave to those who assume materialism is scientifically a done deal. Perhaps it also opened the door for some to consider, at least, that those who hold belief in a Creator should not be dismissed out-of-hand as benighted souls. (Of course, if they are right, it is they themselves who might be judged so...which is another side of things altogether.)

Suggested Reading from my perspective:

Nature's Destiny by Michael Denton

Show Me God by Fred Heeren (don't be put off by the title, its a great intro to developments in cosmology, especially since Einstein, and explains in layman's terms concepts of quantum mechanics. Heeren also includes interviews he has conducted with genuine scientific luminaries in the field.)

What Chivalry Really Means

Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:31:32 GMT

I have heard on a Christian radio show how the speaker would spend time with boys who wanted to date his daughter. During that interview he would tell the boy how he as a father was willing to die for his daughter, and in handing her off to the boy for that period of time, he expected the boy would treat his daughter with respect and be willing to die for her as well.

That was good, I thought. I feel that every girl should be held as such a treasure

because every girl is to be considered a mother-to-be.

There is so much value in every life, but every female especially needs to be honored and protected

by every male.

Me, the White House, Fox News and my Facebook

Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:55:34 GMT

(You know how it is on Facebook...MY NAME) is wondering whether some news agencies shall be considered "more equal" than others by the White House. (Or is that Animal House?)

I followed this with the first comment:

Scary scary scary when the Executive Branch of the United States of America boycotts and goes after one news agency in an attempt to silence it. Tyranny is the only word that comes to mind.

(to someone who mentioned "sounds like 30's Germany" I answered "or All the President's Men")

(the to someone very close to me who believed a better approach by Obama would have been to go into the FOX studio to deconstruct their views in person, I responded:)

I agree with what you say Obama should do (deconstruct or debate them on specific points if they have misrepresented FACTS). The question to me has to do with seeking to delegimatize the NEWS/journalistic aspect of this organization rather than the EDITORIAL slant. Many news organizations will back either Republican or Democratic candidates, for instance. I admit to being held prisoner by my suspicions (being more apt to back those whose beliefs stem from "natural law") Much of politics is based in suspicion, it seems. I find it really scary that our administrative branch would seek to undermine the legitimacy of the NEWS section of an organization in addition to the editorial section. Will they go after Christian news services next, since Christian news services report on events of interest to Christians?

I don't watch Fox, but I certainly do believe we are under the deluge of a worldview that only Fox seems to hold up to any real criticism. For that reason alone, as far as I am aware, has Obama singled them out. Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck and Shawn Hannity might really be off-the-wall, but they have the right to have that podium. I think people can determine between diatribe and factual reporting. What the White House is doing really does smack of Animal House to me. Silence the opposition in the name of... what? That they get their talking points from the GOP? So what? What if those talking points have validity, and Fox is the only venue open to them among the vast majority of journalists who, according to many polls, characterize themselves liberal on most issues? If Obama succeeds in driving advertisers away and marginalizing Fox, what will he have accomplished in terms of helping America maintain its pluralism?

I guess I have come to believe that the plea "let's all just get along" is simply a cover-up for "let's just lie down and let the person who wants to take over just do it". There always have to be some who are crying "foul" at the ruling party, or else America ceases to be. What was true for George Bush should be just as true for Barak Obama. Was there any lack of invective for George Bush? You may say, "Well earned". But for Obama, it may be just as well-earned (for all I know). But even if it isn't, you allow the process of investigation uncover the fraud (of reporting, etc.). Its not like there aren't enough liberal agencies out there watching Fox already. Anyway... enough from me. I appreciate your view and I agree with your suggestion.

I do believe the thing that comes across in Congress that is so admirable is that people on opposite sides of the aisle are able to maintain real friendships and hold one another in full respect for doing what they do out of love for their country...

Paranormal States TV show... ???

Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:39:47 GMT

I noticed a show on TV called, I think, "Paranormal States"... and googled it to see what the perception of it was...that is, whether it was seen as a hoax or not... here was an interesting post on GHOSTTHEORY.COM (in its entirety...)

So it seems that one of the clients for the “PRS” (Paranormal State) team has come up to expose the PRS team as hoaxers. I’ve written a few articles in the past about how horrible this show really is, and the damage that it inflicts onto the paranormal society.

Below is a long testimony from a former client of the PRS team. Kirby Robinson has brought it upon himself to expose the show and it’s staff. The meticulously wrote an open letter to announce their shenanigans. Read it and make your own decision. This is what we here at GhostTheory have been saying all along… Paranormal state is hoax. Every scene is cleverly edited, every evidence they put forth is questionable. How they manage to keep their ratings up is totally a mystery. With all this trickery and deception, WILL YOU STILL WATCH?

I leave you with Mr. Robinson’s letter:

I’ve had my say, I have presented you with my analysis and research into the conduct of the Paranormal Research Society, Paranormal State, Chip Coffey, Ryan Buell and numerous other para-celebrities who have engaged in acts of deception, distortion, and out and out lies. Now it’s time that you hear it and read it from the mouths of those who have been on the receiving end of those acts.
Kelli states: “[Name removed] referred me to you. My husband and I are not under any legal restraint from telling the truth about what Ryan Buell and Chip Coffey did and what was edited and aired on our episode of A&E’s Paranormal State.
Chip Coffey play acted at being psychic. He was given every bit of information regarding our case and the identity of the ghost of the past-previous owner of our home who died 28 years before we bought our Gold Beach, Oregon home.
I am a medical hypnotherapist and respected medium and psychic with many satisfied clients. We contacted PRS after our ghost, Bill Wells, began asking us for help.
The PRS team represented themselves as being part of Penn State University, which was only the beginning of their deceptions. We initially asked for help because there was some sort of entity in our downstairs hall and adjacent rooms which my own spirit guide warned me from dealing with on my own.”
Kelli and Riley Ryan are a very loving couple who purchased their dream home in Gold Beach, Oregon. Kelli who is a gifted psychic/medium, had established the Hypnotist Center in Merced, California in 1989. She is very accurate within her readings, very comfortable with spiritual communication, and has always embraced her gifts to be of help to others.
After moving in, the couple, along with Kelli’s personal spirit guide, encountered a very pleasant ghost by the name of Bill. Bill was the former owner of the home whose death was tragic, to say the least, that caused much pain for his family, friends, and the entire community of Gold Beach.
Unfortunately, that wasn’t the only entity that had taken up residence in her home. In addition, a very dark and sinister spirit had staked claim to their kitchen and hallway, moving objects at will, turning appliances off and on, frightening their ghost, Bill. The dark entity physically attacked both Kelli and her husband. Her personal spirit guide wisely informed her not to attempt to deal with the dark entity on her own but to get professional help which they did when they contacted PRS seeking such help.
Kelli states: “We made first contact with PRS by email Saturday June 21, 2008. We described all phenomenon and asked if they could help us or refer us to someone who could. We put our trust in PRS because they mention Penn State University so prominently at the beginning of their program. We felt an esteemed university would not want to expose themselves to liability so we thought PRS must be acting responsibly.
We received a phone call from Eric Leven of A&E 10:30AM Pacific Time on Monday, June 23, 2008. He told us that he was making our case a top priority because it was such a compelling story (seeing a headless ghost, all kitchen appliances turning on by themselves, kitchen canister sliding across kitchen counter and falling on the floor, an evil entity in the hallway, being locked in the bathroom, being touched, scratched, bruised, squeezed until I couldn’t breath and a kindly ghost asking for help). Eric Leven asked if we could send documentation that Bill Wells lived in our home and died in an accident. We sent the news article detailing Bill’s accident and funeral along with deeds to show the list of former owners. At Eric Leven’s request we sent photographs of all the areas of our home where the phenomenon occurred regularly with detailed descriptions.”
So the wheels of deception begin to turn.
Kelli states: “On Tuesday, July 1, 2008 Sumit David, Paranormal State Producer, arrived at our home to scout the location, interview us on camera and film all the haunted areas of our home. He toured our haunted house, property, and surrounding forest. He was actually quite frightened by the trees surrounding our home. He indicated they could start filming as early as July 10, 2008.
A&E was very pushy about urging us to contact Jim Gardner, the driver in Bill Wells’ fatal accident. We told them we would try again, but we didn’t want to harass the man. We contacted him shortly after discovering Bill’s identity. The point of us contacting PRS was to get Bill the help he was pleading for. Bill wanted people in the town to know there was no wrongdoing on anyone’s part and, indeed, it was only an accident. He also wanted Jim to know he was happy in heaven and he wanted his friend to be happy and live his life without guilt or sadness. A&E said Ryan Buell was very good at convincing people to take part in their investigations and how his participation would help the healing process.
Sumit David promised us nothing on the show would be done which would be injurious to Bill Wells’ loved ones. Nothing would prove to be farther from the truth than this most heinous lie.”
At this point we will use the episode, The Messenger, which was originally entitled The Headless Haunting. Each scene will be broken down exposing the deception that was occurring. Prior to the beginning of the opening credits, the lies and deception already start.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwPNDDRnBv4
The Messenger, Part 1
The shot of Kelli observing a figure dashing past the window was staged. The person doing the dashing is a crewmember.
The photo of the tragic accident that killed Bill was never meant for public viewing. More on that later.
Chip and Ryan seeing something in the hallway and bedroom staged and fake—more on that later.
The case briefing takes place at the Gold Beach Rare Book Room what is interesting here is how secretive PRS is.
Kelli states: “The townspeople called me to tell me they were filming at the bookstore. The filming took place in the Gold Beach Books Rare Book Room. When I chatted with them casually about it they seemed uncomfortable, like they had been caught. They explained these things are secret to keep us from inventing things about our haunting and trying to embellish the story.”
Notice during the briefing that a bored looking Katrina is not taking notes and is simply playing with her small notebook. Why? It’s because she had spent two hours on the phone with Kelli discussing their case. Secondly, notice her at the point that Ryan himself was beginning to merge Bill the ghost and the dark entity into one. They never had any interest in helping the family; they simply sought to develop another sensational storyline. Kelli and her husband had never used the phrase shadow man. That’s of Ryan’s doing.
Kelli states: “Ryan took great pride in coming up with “This shadow man that you see in your home…” He practiced saying “shadow man” in a deeper register than he usually uses and was quite pleased with himself. He requires everyone on his team to worship him and show and express their admiration of him to everyone. Behind his back they express their disdain, but they all want to keep their job. Ben Wolf and Sumit David (director and producer at A&E) kind of laugh about Ryan’s attitude. These A&E and PRS crews were all very chilled here in Gold Beach’s 60-degree weather in July. I offered everyone coffee and hot tea which they loved and kept a sort of comfort canteen which they enjoyed immensely. We keep delicious coffee and 40 varieties of tea and chai, herbal and black. The crews were so grateful and comfortable they confided a great deal about their work experiences with Ryan. They are very young and Riley and I are grandparents who are “cool.” They were too comfy and confided too many secrets about Chip, Ryan and Michelle.”
The walk through is uneventful outside of one very telling scene. Watch Ryan pausing longer than normal to observe himself in the bathroom mirror.
We go to the client interviews with Kelli in the house, and Riley outside the house. Are they factual? And do they show a true photograph of what they were saying? No, not at all.
Kelli states: “They chop-edited everything. KOBI (NBC Station in Medford, OR) is doing a story about Bill writing a book. Bill Kelly, KOBI News Director, and Bob Wise, KOBI Station Manager, saw the episode and showed us all the voice-overs and chop-editing. They could see more editing than the average person and could hear the pieced together dialogue and that it didn’t match the action depicted.
That interview is in our upstairs master suite where we are storing many pieces of extra furniture as we work on our house. I am talking about 2 distinctly different spirits. Bill our kindly ghost asking for help to get a message to his friend, Jim, and the townspeople who misunderstood the reporting of his fatal accident. Bill wanted to set the record straight. The scary, fearful references are regarding an unidentified entity which was causing harm. This is the reason we needed help. We love Bill. Bill protects me from the other entity. Bill saved my life in an identical car crash I survived two weeks after moving in this house. We will email you a copy or you can purchase the tabloid article in the National Examiner 092908 issue in your grocery store tabloid check out display. Ironically, L.A. Justice wrote an accurate account without exaggerating or altering Bill’s story!”
You see in the first cut between Kelli and Riley, Kelli is talking about Bill the ghost, Riley about the dark entity.
Second cut between the two, she’s talking about Bill again, and Riley is talking about Kelli’s psychic abilities. Notice that Ryan is trying to downplay her talents.
Third cut, Kelli is talking about the dark entity, and so is her husband, neither is talking about Bill the kindly ghost.
Last cut, Kelli is talking about the dark entity, and not Bill. But if you just watch it on the surface the producers and Ryan want you to think of only one thing a dark and evil headless entity which is not really happening at all.
We next see that Michelle Belanger is brought into the case. Two years prior to the investigation, Kelli’s spirit guide had her begin to crochet a sweater that was for Michelle. Michelle also received readings from Kelli that were so accurate to Michelle it proved Kelli’s talents beyond any doubt. And she even refers to Kelli “as the best psychic I ever encountered.”
Michelle explains that she is there to “manifest” energy with the help of PRS occult specialist Eilfie to encourage the spirit to appear.
We now move to Dead Time. They state Dead Time is taking place at 3 AM. Well, let’s look at the facts. 1) Just going off of the meter we see the times 1:33, 1:35, 1:37, and 1:38 AM. 2) Now let’s get it from someone who was part of the filming.
Kelli states: “It didn’t [begin at 3 AM] on either night. The first night is was from around 11:30PM to 1:30AM.”
We run through Dead Time, and the next scene to pay attention to is when Ryan interviews Heather about what happened during the supposed Dead Time. Notice that while Heather is sharing her experience, Ryan doesn’t look at her but at himself in the mirror throughout the entire scene.
Next up is Chip Coffey’s arrival on the scene. He does his normal walk through shtick and informs Ryan that a person with M letters then later changes it to W W.
This is one of those things that what you think you saw you really didn’t. Let’s focus on all the deception that took place here.
~1 Chip Coffey’s arrival. Remember, we are on Day 2 of filming. Is this when Chip gets into town? Not at all. He had been in town for over 48 hours prior to his “first arrival” on the scene.
~2 When Chip is asked by Ryan “Have I told you anything about the case?” Chip says: “You tell me nothing.” That’s actually the first truthful statement that they have made on camera at this point in the episode. Ryan didn’t have to tell anything. Chip knew the whole story of Bill’s death and the haunting prior to stepping foot on the property.
Kelli states: “Eric Leven asked if we could send documentation that Bill Wells lived in our home and died in an accident. We sent the news article detailing Bill’s accident and funeral along with deeds to show the list of former owners. At Eric Leven’s request we sent photographs of all the areas of our home where the phenomenon occurred regularly with detailed descriptions.
Eric Leven interviewed me by phone twice. He consulted Chip Coffey with all the details about our case before they decided to do the show.
We had to leave so we would not affect ‘so sensitive’ Chip’s psychic abilities. Chip had been given all those captioned photographs we sent Eric Leven explaining all locations in and around our home where the phenomenon occurred. As a result, Chip very accurately picked up on all the phenomenon including Bill Well’s initials, WW (William Wells).
Eric Leven from A&E told me on the phone, ‘I consulted Chip Coffey about your case and he was really excited. I forwarded all your info to him…’
On July 1st Sumit David, A&E Producer of Paranormal State came to our home, interviewed us on video and did the walk through on video so Chip Coffey could see everything in our home prior to his coming here. We showed him every place in and around our home where we have phenomenon and those are the exact places he picked up his psychic perceptions. They asked us to leave to do their walk through filming with Chip Coffey on the first day. We were told it was so he would not pick up anything from us regarding the dangerous entity in our hallway. We already knew he had all the information about Bill Wells, our ghost. We had to go away so we wouldn’t see that they were doing nothing about the entity we were asking help getting rid of. All the ‘proof’ about Bill Wells was sent to them to prove we had a haunting to add credence to our claim about the entity in our hall.”
So we now see that everything concerning Chip Coffey’s readings and alleged accurate psychic abilities are nothing but a sham and a fraud. But it really starts to pile up from this point on. And I would advise wading boots if you decide to keep on reading, because the stuff is going to get very deep.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyHjjDR9JBQ&feature=related
The Messenger, part 2
We now witness an outright scripted staged deception by Heather, Eilfie, and Michelle. They do a deed search and surprise, surprise they come up with the name William Wells. A voiceover then tells the viewer that Bill died a tragic death. They visit the local newspaper office The Curry County Reporter, and uncovered the tragic story of the death of William Wells. What is the deception, you ask? They knew the name of William Wells was already on the deed of property. They knew that William Wells died a tragic death. They already had the newspaper article concerning the accident.
Kelli states: “Eric Leven asked if we could send documentation that Bill Wells lived in our home and died in an accident. We sent the news article detailing Bill’s accident and funeral along with deeds to show the list of former owners. At Eric Leven’s request we sent photographs of all the areas of our home where the phenomenon occurred regularly with detailed descriptions.”
Kelli states: “Sumit David promised us nothing on the show would be done which would be injurious to Bill Wells’ loved ones. Nothing would prove to be farther from the truth than this most heinous lie.
We shared with PRS and A&E a sad history of Bill’s death. Bill’s death hurt the entire city of Gold Beach. He was the beloved pharmacist in this small coastal fishing village and touched virtually everyone in the county. His death at the age of 32 shocked and saddened an entire county and the strange circumstances surrounding the accident (one person dying, the other walking away without a scratch) caused a controversy, which divided the town, making lifetime enemies of formerly dear friends. People could sense there was some kind of cover-up. The feud was so detrimental to people’s business and personal lives, the townspeople agreed never to mention it again, never to speak Bill’s name again and never to speculate about what happened that first day of October 1978. The town never wavered from their agreement not to speak of Bill Wells or his accident ever again.”
Ryan interviews the first EMT man on the scene of the accident, which is spliced with photos from the police report and a voiceover of Heather and Michelle talking about Bill’s injuries.
This is just another example of acts of deception on Paranormal State’s part. They knew all of the horrendous details about Bill’s physical injuries and the photos were from the police report. But what they don’t bother to inform the viewer is that out of respect for Bill and his family, friends and entire community, they had kept that part a secret. Until Paranormal State decided to expose it to the world with no thought of the pain and suffering that such an act would do.
Kelli states: “A&E promised us they would not show these accident photos. No one in Gold Beach, including Bill’s wife, knew the extent of his injuries, other than head trauma. That his head was crushed and severed was kept secret. This was devastating to those who loved Bill. Bill isn’t a 200-year-old ghost. He would only be 63 this December 8th. His friends, widow, children, and friend who drove the vehicle and survived the accident are all still alive and most still live in Gold Beach. These photos have been a secret for 30 years. The ‘cover-up’ the town argued about, the secret they sensed, was the heart-breaking truth of the bloody death of a beloved citizen. The responding officers, doctors and survivor of the crash kept this secret to protect all of Bill Well’s loved ones from an ugly image so that they could remember the smiling man as he was in life, not the broken body who was buried.”
We then see the second interview with Kelli. Again, there’s more dishonesty.
Kelli states: “I was asked to pretend I didn’t know any of the information for effect so that viewers could have the sense of the story unfolding, the way it had to us. ‘There would be no harm in presenting it again as though they made the discoveries on their own as they were the ones who ordered the accident report.’ It was genuine when I asked about the head injury. They didn’t tell me about Bill’s decapitation and they never let us see the report, so I don’t know it is actually true.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn2U7MaR8_g&feature=related
The Messenger, Part 3
We now come to the second Dead Time and the chaos and deception that raged throughout that entire event.
Point 1 – According to Kelli, Dead Time didn’t take place at 3 AM, but began at 11:30 and ended around 1:30.
Point 2 – When Michelle asked Kelli ‘did she hear that?’ Kelli goes ‘Uh Huh.’ But the scene is spliced to make it look as though she uttered that.
Point 3 – Notice how hyper Chip is getting about the movement in the kitchen. Yet neither he nor Ryan check it out. WHY? Observe their physical mannerisms – these men are both frightened.
Point 4 – The table moving is made into a big deal. According to Kelli, this is not uncommon at all. It really doesn’t move, it just vibrates.
Point 5 – The lesson that Paranormal State learned in the Hell’s Gate episode, is that if you fake things long enough you will eventually run into the real deal.
Point 6 – Chip and Ryan go down the hall and go into the guest bedroom. Ryan picks up a cold spot 10 degrees cooler than the rest of the area. They flip on the light and an outline of a person is seen by only Chip and Ryan.
Concerning point 6, this would be amazing if true but it’s not. The cold spot, which is alleged to be a ghost? Or a demon? Or maybe a vortex to the other side? No, none of those things. It’s a cold can of beer placed there by PRS.
Kelli states: “This entity frightened the PRS team and terrified Chip Coffey who refused to deal with it. Chip had me deal with it and hid in a chair in my living room. You can see me in the hallway in the show, but they pieced together dialogue to make it appear I was evicting our ghost, Bill Wells. The PRS crew ‘faked’ cold spots in our home. They explained to us that they were using a six-pack of beer to attract Bill and draw him out so they could photograph him. I thought it seemed ridiculous and said as much to the producer, Sumit David, who explained to us, ‘I really just think it’s about young college kids getting a hold of a six pack…’
After the episode was aired, I realized the ‘Cold Spot’ Ryan and Chip were ‘discovering’ in our guest room was one of the Budweiser cans! If you are forewarned you can actually see that it is a can of beer on the monitor which appears to be a glowing red orb. I did save these beer cans with their fingerprints in the event they wish to deny their actions.
I confronted Sumit David on the phone asking why they aired such a deception. He responded by explaining that ‘Ryan thought he was really onto something and he appeared so sincere that they left it in because Ryan’s fans really enjoy his innocent on-air persona of sincerity and devotion to his quest…’ I didn’t understand why my spirit guide directed me to save the beer cans as evidence. She is never wrong and when she told me I would need them I didn’t question it.”
Kelli states: “I told Sumit how angry Bill was becoming and that he was capable of doing harm. And what were they discovering about the angry entity in the hallway? What were they going to do about it? Every time I asked, I was told only that, ‘They have a few ideas about what to do. They’re still deciding what approach to take with it.’ Again I asked Sumit why they needed beer to draw Bill out when he was happy to show himself if they would just let him give his message. Sumit said he simply thought the beer was more about a bunch of college kids getting their hands on a six-pack. I was so tired of getting non-answers I quit asking questions. That night at dead time Riley was asked to stay outside with the support crew. I was asked to help set up the sitting room and was told Riley would be coming in after we were through setting up. You need to know these details because what is on film is so pieced together and voiced over and edited so deceptively, it was difficult for us to recognize which parts were which. We could recognize the video, but the audio didn’t match.”
Kelli states: “I don’t know about any of their noises in the kitchen or elsewhere during Dead Time or any other time. I did not experience any of the noise phenomena they were picking up in the two years we have lived here. Our noises are different and nothing has changed. The table moving is real. That phenomenon is a common one in our home. The table does not actually move, it undulates like waves making a boat rock. Our house is in a place where the other side and our world have very little separation. That veil, like an ozone is not very defined on our property. We live in a type of portal between us and the other side. Our house sits on top of an underground stream which connects to Hunter Creek. Where Taylor Creek and Hunter Creek meet forms a kind of meridian and that is where our house sits. Put in a channeling medium and you have paranormal Disneyland when you are inside the house. This scared Chip Coffey so much he would not deal with the entity in the hallway after Bill, our ghost, was so angry over what Chip did. He rushed out and lunged at Chip scaring him badly. You can see this on the second Dead Time when Chip has his hand in front of his mouth and is hiding in a leather chair looking at me in the hallway. Michelle Belanger had an argument with Chip during that Dead Time explaining I was the real deal unlike him. Michelle knows this as I spent only a small time with her and discussed with her a secret she says no psychic she has ever been with has ever picked up. I called Chip a fraud. Michelle stood up and told Chip I was the read deal, a real medium, not like him who was faking it. The camera rolled the entire time. Look at Michelle’s face. At one point she simply looks disgusted and quit participating.”
Kelli states: “The second night Dead Time was about 11:30 to 1:30 AM with the break for the huge fiasco that did not appear on tape. Chip Coffey was so afraid after Bill rushed out to defend me against Chip’s terrible attack directed at me and my family. In our interview with Katrina before they arrived Katrina asked me to list the names, relationships and birth and death dates of all my deceased family members who have died in the last 10 years. Chip was claiming the evil entity in the hallway was my dead grandfather and that he had sexually abused me as a child. This is utterly ridiculous and untrue. That was when I called Chip Coffey a fraud and Chip responded with such abusive, intimidating and belittling language and demeanor in his attempt show me he was right about the abuse that I probably sublimated and that was why I couldn’t remember. I told him I don’t intimidate that easily and his incompetent bullying tactics would not work on me. I am a medical hypnotherapist of some repute and my biography is in the Marquis Who’s Who. You can go to any public library or newspaper and log onto the Marquis Who’s Who on the Web. I am listed Kelli Lorraine Ryan, DOB 062657. This is the most authoritative biographical data in the world and each fact is verified. He still wouldn’t back down and Michelle Belanger came to my defense and started having a yelling match with him. Ryan stepped in and finally pulled everyone to a neutral corner and took me outside to calm everybody down. Ryan and I were the only ones who did not lose their cool. Ryan never raised his voice, but he was so filled with anxiety he was almost shaking. He had a very hard time keeping Chip under control. They have a very enmeshed and unhealthy relationship. They need each other and cover for each other and conspire together and yet just under the surface you can see how much they are threatened by each other and how much jealousy and contempt they have for each other. It would take very little pushing to get them to turn on each other. They would easily blame the other for all the deception.”
Let’s go back to the cold spot for a second. Did PRS or PS or even Ryan come out and admit it publicly, that they faked a cold spot, which would be the honorable thing for them to do. No. Ryan Buell, Director/Founder of Penn State PRS, who cites the motto: “To Trust, Honor, and Always Seek the Truth.” On his forum can’t even tell the truth about the cold spot on the bed. First he claims that he hasn’t viewed the episode. Then he claims that the cold spot is an object that has been refrigerated. He later says he’ll get back to the questioner about the subject—but never does. Did Chip say anything? No. Did anyone from PRS or A&E say anything? No.
Clearly notice that both Chip and Ryan have frightened looks on their faces and everyone has fled from the living room. As much out of fear of the entity in the hallway and the anger and disrespect that Chip was showing towards Kelli.
The viewer is given the impression that Kelli is asking Bill to leave – which is not true. She’s trying to get the dark entity to leave and no one comes to her aid. Not Chip, Ryan, or the occult specialist, Eilfie. Nor do they offer to call in a expert in this field, not even a local priest or minister. Because it’s all about them looking good and everybody else be damned.
Kelli states: “PRS say they are PARANORMAL RESEARCHERS and expressed no interest in many of the real phenomenon they recorded [on our property]. Ryan picked up the spirits in the forest on his IFR and didn’t bother to put that in. Does that indicate interest in the paranormal?”
I wish I could say that the deception ended there. But there are even more lies yet to be revealed. The first is the EVP from the last Dead Time. What it is from is a ham radio operator that is located nearby. So there was no “paranormal event” recorded at all. The second lie is that Bill did have a message to deliver to not only Jim, his beloved friend who survived the accident, but to the entire community of Gold Beach. That was one of the purposes, supposedly, of Ryan and Paranormal State showing up, was to assist Kelli in getting The Message out. But did it? No, it ended up on the cutting room floor.
The next deception is the supposed final interview between Kelli, Riley, and Ryan. Is that the way it really happened? And is she really thanking Ryan for all his efforts of the past few days?
Kelli states: “You see me thanking Ryan gratefully and tearfully for his help right after I was able to deliver Bill’s message to his friend and town about what really happened in his accident. My relief moved me to tears because Riley finally felt relief after three nights of AM bedtimes and three hours of sleep per night not one meal sitting down mostly orange juice and bananas I was sleep deprived and exhausted and so grateful for the experience to be over it showed on camera. Bill’s message wound up on the cutting room floor.
More deceptions occurred even after they left surrounding the letter writing. During filming they made me recreate many things they said they would put in the beginning montage. During these recreations they were always trying to get me to scream or do something dramatic to show how terrifying the experiences were. They were disappointed when I told them I usually just froze when these things happened. They wanted me to do dramatic things to help the audience understand how horrifying the experiences were for their benefit. I told them it wouldn’t be accurate and I didn’t want to deceive viewers because it wasn’t right. Each time Ben Wolf, the director, would respond by saying, ‘That’s really good. You’re right. A lot of our subjects aren’t as talented as you are and we can’t ask them to do this so we felt comfortable asking you…’ Ben Wolf was working from a list of every phenomenon we gave A&E and PRS.”
After the team left, what happened? Did Kelli’s dark entity leave? No. And actually, in some ways, things got worse. That very day that PRS packed up their equipment and left Kelli and Riley’s home, the stirred up dark entity returned to its terrorizing ways. Even with the team still in town, they would not return to their home to offer assistance. Weeks later, when Kelli contacted PRS and PS for follow-up help, what did she get? Sumit David the producer is quoted: “But you did get some help didn’t you? So then everything’s ok. I’m sure everything will work out.” Again, we see the client has value only when the cameras are rolling, but when it’s over, the help is gone.
It wasn’t until Kelli and Riley, with assistance of those outside of the PRS team, discovered who and what the entity was. It was a displaced spirit that when the mountainside had been carved out spirits that were native to the area had been disrupted. This particular spirit had ended up in what is now Kelli and Riley’s home, terrorizing all the people who had owned it, including Bill Wells himself, when he was alive. Eventually, help was obtained and the spirit was effectively dealt with and finally, weeks later, Kelli and Riley had their house back.
But was the deception only limited to things going on in front of the camera? To be honest, a more sinister act of deception was taking off the site of the filming. Throughout the stay within the small town, members of PRS did their best to dig up dirt on both Kelli and Riley. To no avail.
Kelli states: “The A&E producer arrived in town the beginning of the week of filming and all other A&E and PRS crew arrived shortly after with Chip Coffey and Michelle Belanger arriving Tuesday, July 8, 2008. They made their presence conspicuous and certainly raised eyebrows and suspicions amongst the townspeople who began to call me on the phone immediately. They arrived several days before they indicated to us, trying to uncover anything about us they could, hoping to find something unsavory or at least a provocative secret. I can only surmise they were a little disappointed to find out we are pillars of the community and beloved in the town as the newcomers who were so quickly and fondly embraced by the natives of Gold Beach. They discovered people who were also from a small farm town and accustomed to hard work, volunteerism and generously donating time and money.
The director, Ben Wolf, shared in an unguarded moment how no matter how many people in town were asked, ‘and they asked everywhere’ they couldn’t find anyone who said anything other than we were the ‘nicest, kindest people they ever met…’ Why were they trying so hard to look for dirt? I will never really know beyond the persistent feeling that untrustworthy people generally judge others as untrustworthy.”
In addition, the former owners of the property were contacted to be on the show and again, it’s best to read what happens in their own words via email.
Rachelle Schaaf and Mike DeRoest: “Well, as those of you who tuned in to A&E’s Paranormal State last night and watched the “Headless Haunting/The Messenger” YOU DIDN’T SEE US! We were left, I’m afraid, on the cutting room floor – edited out. Bummer! Had to fit those commercial breaks in!
Actually, that’s ok because our experiences were far more tame than what the Ryan’s endured – thank heavens! Paranormal State was looking for the juicy stuff that they could handily craft a story around. I guess stoves, heaters, lights that go on by themselves were not sexy enough for “Reality TV.”
When the producer called us. We did agree to make the trip over to Gold Beach to be interviewed on camera. We spent a few hours hanging around town while the crew tended to some dramatic new development; and then we spent a couple of hours wandering around the house having our conversations recorded with the new home owners and the ghostbusters. And then it didn’t even make it to TV! Mike and I need a better agent.
The story that came out on TV was only a portion of the history of the home and that which lent itself most readily to sensationalism. There were some other wild things that the paranormal experts were tossing around that were way over the top too, I’m glad the public was spared that stuff.
Do I believe in paranormal energies, perhaps ghosts? Yes, I do.
Do I believe in Reality TV? Uh, no.”
And as the final credits roll, listen to the deceptive words that Ryan utters as he strolls along the beach. All those words are empty words, for he knows as well as anyone, that the needs of a client were sacrificed for the personal needs of fame and fortune that both him and Chip Coffey so desperately seek. In closing, Kelli says it best, and I will let her have the final words on this subject.
“On the one hand, people say these shows are just entertainment, it’s no big deal. And they are right. But real people’s lives are used as the kindling and are used up just as easily. They could simply interview people about their problem and portray it as a dramatized account of the ghosts/demons etc. in these peoples’ lives. What they do is offer help to people who are at their most vulnerable and not equipped to handle it. If they had an infestation of rats or bugs they could call a reputable exterminator and hold them accountable for their services rendered. PRS offers themselves up as help with experts and clergy and after they dramatize, fictionalize, and sensationalize some household’s problem they walk away and leave these people with whatever haunting, demonic presence or troubling spirit and, in some cases, worsen the problem. After PRS gets what they want the family is left on their own. If a reputable exterminator came to the home, looked at the situation, invited in a few more rats and cockroaches to move in and then walked away that would be illegal. When anyone is on national TV offering themselves as experts the FCC requires truth in advertising. These people are saying they are researchers, helpers, and warriors offering to battle evil paranormal forces. They cannot mix their metaphors. First by saying we’re here to help you and follow up, and then, at the end of filming drive off and say you’re on your own. After all, this is only entertainment.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwPNDDRnBv4
The Messenger, Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyHjjDR9JBQ&feature=related
The Messenger, Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn2U7MaR8_g&feature=related
The Messenger, Part 3
OPEN CHALLENGE TO CHIP & RYAN:
Ryan Buell and Chip Coffey are attacking me and my credibility. They are attacking my claim that my readings have never been wrong. I don’t claim my readings can never be wrong. I am stating correctly they have never been wrong, past-tense. They have all proven to be correct to this date.
The most telling part of this attack is that they attack me. Two bullies ganging up on a 5′ tall, 51 year old grandmother — that’s easy. What is not so easy is attacking the truth. They don’t seem to be attacking the truthful evidence. The truth is never that easy to corrupt or fight, it stands on its own. It’s much easier for a coward to attack the messenger.
Why haven’t they confronted me directly? They have my address, phone number and email. They have been in my home. They used my home to lie to their entire audience and no matter how many times they re-edit the episode to remove their lies, more lies show up on tape until there is nothing left to air. How naive can they be? They aired it once in its entirety. Haven’t they heard of DVR? Too many people have saved this show, it won’t go away and neither will the memory of their deception. They are only compounding it by attacking me on the Internet and all behind my back.
They used my home to stage their fakery and my crime is that I spoke the truth about it. Chip Coffey has threatened to sue. I pray he does. I would love to show my episode to a judge and the beer cans with their fingerprints and the emails between A&E and me. Let a judge decide who is telling the truth. A judge would also deem their attack of me and my sanity on the Internet LIBEL and award me damages. I am a private citizen who offered their home to these people who abused my trust and attacked me when I told the truth about it TWO CELEBRITIES ATTACKING A PRIVATE CITIZEN. Does the truth threaten them that much? If I were lying they would have a lawyer send me a letter demanding I cease and desist in my lies. No officer of the court would do this after examining the evidence because they would not bully a person who will beat them in court. Please look at my biographical data at your public library. Who’s Who on the Web is the original Who’s Who started in 1899. It is not a vanity Who’s Who imitator. My listing is Kelli Lorraine Ryan, DOB 062657. See what I have accomplished in my life. This data is verified and considered the most authoritative biographical data in the world. What have Chip and Ryan done in their life? You can sample Who’s Who free for a week if you don’t want to go to the library or newspaper office.
One last lesson on accurate readings: My readings are accurate because I do not embellish the information my guide gives me. I am not afraid to say “I don’t know, my guide is not answering.” Many psychics are afraid to disappoint so they use their intuition to fill in the blanks. Some psychics get a real high by impressing their client with all their talent so they give a reading to impress and use excuses to say they night have to be patient for it to come to pass. Some psychics want to comfort their client and use logical intuition and pray they give a good reading. Clients don’t complain because the psychic cares. My clients come to me for the TRUTH. I have the courage to give exactly what comes through. If very little came through, I would not charge my client. My readings generally take 1 hour and I have volumes of inform nation valuable to my client and answer even more than they come in for. I have my client prepare ahead by writing down their questions and thinking about them before they come to me or call me on the phone for phone readings. I am not afraid to give the information coming from my guide. I know the difference between my guide’s message, my thoughts and the clients’s hopes. My client wants the TRUTH, not wishful thinking — they can get that for free. I have never refused to give a reading based on a client’s inability to pay. I give that reading as all readings with love in my heart. They generally show their gratitude by sending in referral clients. I am not afraid of giving bad news. The client does not ask a question without being ready to hear the answer, good or bad. I’ve never had to disappoint a client. I simply am not afraid to admit something is not coming through. So far, I haven’t had to. That is the main stumbling block of all psychic readings — their fear of something not coming through which actually acts like interference. I give classes on improving your psychic abilities and much of the tutorial is on this very aspect of the reading.
Even psychics have questions. I do wonder. Why are two celebrities so unnerved by one little grandmother telling the truth? They can’t be afraid of a little grandma, they must be afraid of the truth.
–
Kelli L. Ryan
ANNOUNCEMENTS:
~ On November 8th I will be analyzing the “I am Six” episode of Paranormal State.
~ Beginning on November 15 I will begin an in-depth analysis of the first season of Psychic Kids: Children of the Paranormal.
In closing, for all those who have been contacting me and talking off the record, I hope you now can see that you’re not alone and that there are others who have been used as well by the hands of other people’s quests for fame and fortune.
THE PARANORMAL MOMENT OF TRUTH CHALLENGE
Dear Ryan Buell, Chip Coffey, Lorraine Warren, Sandra & Keith Johnson, Dr. Ron Milione, Tony Spera, Shannon & Jeff Sylvia, C.J. Sellers, Chris Moon, Michelle Belanger, Chad Calek, Michael & Marti Parry, Mark & Debby Constantino, Kim Russo, and David Schrader:
I have expressed concerns about how you conduct your investigations and the validity of those investigations, where anyone with a clear and discerning eye can see that they are not authentic. I have also witnessed heavy-handed tactics being used against people who question your alleged authority within the paranormal community and dared to raise questions concerning the validity of appearing on the A&E shows, Paranormal State, and Psychic Kids: Children of the Paranormal. I can no longer sit by in silence. That is why I came up with The Paranormal Moment of Truth Challenge, which will benefit you, your organization, the paranormal field, and a charity that would be assisted from the donation of the prize money.
1 ~ It would silence your critics if you are determined to be telling the truth about all your claims and how they are presented. There can be no one left to challenge your honesty and integrity.
2 ~ It would not only benefit your organization, but it would also help the entire paranormal field. Because if such evidence is true, it will be brought to a much wider audience, which hopefully would fuel additional legitimate investigations. So it’s a win-win situation for everyone.
3 ~ The charity of your choice would have the prize money donated to them. If the truth is being told, that prize money could reach $500,000.
So, what is The Paranormal Moment of Truth Challenge? I am sure you’ve heard of the Fox Network program entitled The Moment of Truth. This is where a contestant is hooked up to a lie detector test and asked 50 questions, of which 21 of them are used on the actual show. As long as you tell the truth, you keep on winning money — up to $500,000. The production company, Lighthearted Entertainment Inc., would jump at an opportunity of doing a show with the two of you. And I will put my personal credibility on the line and appear, as well. For if you visit my Free All Spirits page (www.myspace.com/freeallspirits), you’ll notice that I personally make what some would call outlandish claims concerning my work as a Demonologist/Exorcist/Paranormal Investigator/Caring Spiritual Adviser.
If you would like to be “one step closer to the truth” then this is a way to achieve your goal. If interested, please contact me at this email address and I will get the ball rolling as soon as possible.
Your friend in spirit,
Kirby

Kind of ...what...weird, don't you think????

What Does the Future Hold?

Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:34:11 GMT

11 Reasons why the LAST link is certainly TRUE:

1. Sea Level Rise

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iq49m9Hdiq6kHjWeaJ6egshNJOPw

2. Aquifer Depletion

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/WORMKA/

3. Snowpack Depletion

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/environment/2009-01-06-snowpack_N.htm

4. Honey Bee Depletion

http://www.examiner.com/x-17373-Phoenix-Signs-of-the-Times-Examiner~y2009m8d11-Honey-bees-disappearing-may-be-a-greater-threat-than-global-warming

5. Genetically Engineered Crops

http://www.oneworldscam.com/gmo_spermicidal_corn.htm

6. Morgellons Pandemic

http://www.naturalnews.com/025757.html

7. Super Flu Pandemic

http://thebirdflupandemic.com/archives/swine-flu-discovered-in-birds-in-chile-is-a-super-bird-flu-on-the-way

8. Nanotechnology Gets Out of Control

http://www.nanodic.com/Molecular/Gray_Goo_Or_Grey_Goo.htm

9. Gamma Ray Burst

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080310-mm-grb-us.html

10. Asteroid Hit

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sci-tech/asteroid-2009-dd45-just-misses-earth_100162713.html

11. Nuclear Material Falls into Terrorist Hands

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2002/march6/database-36.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvAMtUDvRuw

To the moon and back

Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:41:22 GMT

Last night I had another very vivid dream...

A small group of us became the first to go to the moon, where a habitation was already set up. We only could bring a few things with us, and after a short few hours we were to return.

I remember a lot about packing, especially for the return journey

and the wonder of the experience, and how privileged we all felt.

And I remember how time seemed to pass at a different rate there, and remarking on it.

How real it all seemed. And how perfect.

The God who gives us such dreams has created our world... which must be better for us even than what we long for in our dreams.

Science today is by definition political

Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:36:41 GMT

Since scientific method stands helpless in the face of miracles

Science must always hope and seek for "natural" explanations

And that is why science is and always will be political in nature and will always come down on a particular side in the so-called "culture wars"...

My question is:

Was science always headed in this direction, or

was there a time that scientists were quite happy to give God credit, even as they examined causations around them?

Sunday, October 11, 2009

Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:01:41 GMT

I had a dream last night... I was helping John Lennon out by looking for something for his toddler...he needed something that had letters on it to help his child learn... and I found something like a phone that had numbers and letters in my garage, so it would do. He bore with him his characteristic gravitas and somehow we knew each other. We lived in a Midwestern city on the Mediterranean Sea. (And he wasn't married to Yoko.) The dream was incredibly detailed, as was the next dream I had.

Dreams are such amazing things.

Anyway, yesterday I was reading Travels with Charley by John Steinbeck. It is his record of events he encountered as he "went to look for America" on the road with a dog named Charley. He was a real artist with words! The only problem I had with his accounts:

1. I had to wonder...did everything he wrote about really happen?

2. and even if so, the words, no matter how descriptive, could not convey what really happened (in terms of the atmosphere, tone of voice, appearance of the persons involved, etc.).

Thus I felt reading is only really helpful for ascertaining facts and such, for entertainment, for conveying ideas or teaching some moral lesson.

As to actual events, it seems writing only produces fraud, because no matter how well you write, you cannot convey actual events with words alone. Newspapers are filled with reports, but their reports of events perform an injustice by producing impressions that simply cannot be accurate. The reader is left with a picture perhaps, but since it acts upon the imagination of the reader, words alone should not be used for factual reporting... words are only good for telling stories that invite imagination or for recording data, etc.

Like Wittgenstein said... Words merely mess things up....

Like in the description of dreams.

What's Wrong with Us?

Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:20:57 GMT

Watching TV to relax, seeing "Legally Blonde" is on...

and the triumph of Witherspoon's character when she gets the slain man's daughter to tearfully admit it was she who mistakenly shot her own father...

and the courtroom, totally ignoring the pathos of this

erupts in hoorays and huzzahs...

(Book that frizzy-haired loser!)

The Church: Better Off without Christianity?

Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:13:03 GMT

First, I had better define my terms! By the Church I mean the biblical definition of that entity that embodies all genuine believers in Christ. By Christianity I mean the conglomeration of organizations and structures that have grown up around these believers throughout the ages. Many assume the two terms are equated somehow, but I feel that is a sad mistake. What if we all could shed the "churches" (so-called) and other associations and simply return to living and meeting wherever we lived only as fellow-Christians? Such a situation would, after all, match the blueprint of truth found in the Bible.

In the divisive and sectarian situation found in Christianity, we find Christian denominations competing for members. "Come meet with US! (instead of them)" There appears to be a lot of gospel activity, but little real coordination is possible when the Christian leaders within each town operate separately from one another. Redundancy reigns! The result is woefully ineffective when compared to what could happen if we could act together as a unified whole.

Imagine how beneficial it would be if all the Christian youth in a city could be together rather than isolated from one another within their "churches"! Consider the power of the gospel within a community if all believers were actually one, rather than just in theory. Present-day Christianity makes sure the "church invisible" stays covered up. In the New Testament, we see believers identified simply as "the church in Ephesus," "the church in Jerusalem," "the church in Antioch," and so on. Couldn't we, shouldn't we, return to this practice today?

The Body of Christ has become dismembered to the point that believers don't know their own brothers or sisters who live on the same street! Personally, I view the present situation as a triumph of the enemy, since he has caused so many Christians to break the bond of Christian unity over matters such as practice and minor doctrines, rather than demonstrating how Christ's grace is sufficient for ALL things (Ephesians 4:3-6; Philippians 4:13). Through present-day Christianity, the door has been opened to accommodate endless division in the Body of Christ, something Paul condemned (1 Corinthians 1:11-13 ).

I find the statement tragic that urges believers to go to the church of their choice, as though God has more than one church, or that He Himself has no say in the matter! After we die, I am pretty sure no one will be known as a Baptist, a Presbyterian, a Lutheran, a Catholic, and so on. Why maintain these distinctions now?

It may seem the present-day structure of Christianity has become too strong for the Body of Christ to overcome, but by simply stepping away from of the various man-made circles, wouldn't we find ourselves joined together again in the one unique circle that Christ created when He died on the cross? His death and resurrection were sufficient to produce the Church, and His death and resurrection remain sufficient for its unity.

Thus, in my view, the only way the church can regain its unity is through the complete dissolution of present-day Christianity by means of non-participation in it. I don't think anyone should be afraid that the Christian witness would disappear. Instead, the Body of Christ would be able to finally manifest itself to the world.

Do people care more for their traditions and being disagreeable than they care about John 17:21?